Comments on: Was King Arthur a Church Father?

By: xavier

xavier — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 21:29:07 +0000

Mike:
Thanks again. Hmm now that you mention it. I do vaguely remember an entremes in Tirant lo Blanc which featured King Arthur- dead and being transported by his sister (the way Martorell described her is quite vivid) Don Quijote- it,s been a while since I read it again. :)
Guess I’ll have to but your book and the one you recommend.
Thanks again

xavier

By: Mike Aquilina

Mike Aquilina — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 19:18:55 +0000

Bummer. I’ve never actually seen an Arthur movie I really, really liked, though Excalibur had some great visual scenes.

By: Dale Price

Dale Price — Thu, 27 Apr 2006 17:57:29 +0000

If Alan liked KA, de gustibus. For my part, I want two hours of my life back.

Historically, it’s an atrocity. To name but three howlers–(1) the Saxons landed in the south of Britain, not up by Hadrian’s Wall–hence the southern English regions of Wessex (West Saxons), Essex (East Saxons) and Sussex (South Saxons); (2) the Roman legions had abandoned Britain by 409 at the latest (the film has this happen around 500 and Rome itself had fallen by the time Arthur is mooning over it (476).

Then there’s the matter of turning St. Germanus of Auxerre (a soldier, to be sure) into a corrupt politico. And Pelagius was not a proto-Jefferson preaching about equality, though I’ve pretty much given up on the ability of modern film to convey theological concepts accurately.

Zero stars.

By: Mike Aquilina

Mike Aquilina — Tue, 25 Apr 2006 23:04:26 +0000

Oh yes. In fact, Don Quixote was familiar with all the King Arthur legends! They were quite popular in Spain and Italy, Germany and, of course, France. We touch on this in The Grail Code. The continental phenomenon is covered more extensively in Richard Barber's book The Holy Grail : Imagination and Belief .

By: xavier

xavier — Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:55:46 +0000

Mike:
Question:on continential Europe do we have any grail stories? I’m vaguely thinking of the Chason de Roland (I know it’s about Charlemange’s defaet of the arabs in 732 but I’m wondering if a quest story isn’t somehow intgreated) I don’t think Ramon Llull wrote any stories on the Grail.
xavier

By: + Alan

+ Alan — Tue, 25 Apr 2006 19:41:25 +0000

Just stopped by and wanted to note. Perhaps you should’ve mentioned the lates movie about Arthur – “King Arthur” – of only last year or so, which places him as accurately as possible historically – in the 5th century. And in the movie, he interracts with the Bishop Germanus (who ordained Patrick?) and in one exchange, mentions a friend of his by the name of Pelagius and his talk of freedom. Very interesting. Interesting portrayal of Roman Britain which was then being taken over by the Saxons – deals also with the leftover Celtic people who had not yet converted to Christianity. Interesting movie if not only for that. Pax vobiscum.

By: Mike Aquilina

Mike Aquilina — Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:34:41 +0000

My esteemed co-author often says that MP made the best of the Arthur movies.

By: Danny Garland Jr.

Danny Garland Jr. — Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:31:08 +0000

At least we did learn something from Monty Python…Never go to Camelot for it’s a silly place! ;-)