Comments on: The Other Side of Ancient Liturgy http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2006/10/04/the-other-side-of-ancient-liturgy/ Mike Aquilina's Blog Wed, 10 Mar 2010 23:29:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Mark D. Bej http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2006/10/04/the-other-side-of-ancient-liturgy/comment-page-1/#comment-33283 Mark D. Bej Sun, 04 Feb 2007 02:19:04 +0000 http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2006/10/04/the-other-side-of-ancient-liturgy/#comment-33283 I have the tape of Fr. Taft's lecture at the Byzantine Catholic Seminary in Pittsburgh in 2000. His introduction was quite clear on these points and, paraphrased, is as follows: 1 - He was named Mitered Archimandrite in 1998 by the Ukrainian Catholic Church. This is, of course, an honorary title; he is not the head abbot of some monastary somewhere. At the lecture it was said that "the head" of the UkrCathCh did this, which would mean Lubomyr Huzar; but I believe I read elsewhere that Stephan Sulyk, the now-retired Metropolitan of the Archeparchy of Philadelphia, did this. 2 - The second pectoral cross was bestowed by Archbishop Vsevolod of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church in recognition of his writings on the Orthodox tradition. Fr. Petro (seminary rector) did not mention a second nomination to Archimandrite. I have the tape of Fr. Taft’s lecture at the Byzantine Catholic Seminary in Pittsburgh in 2000. His introduction was quite clear on these points and, paraphrased, is as follows:

1 – He was named Mitered Archimandrite in 1998 by the Ukrainian Catholic Church. This is, of course, an honorary title; he is not the head abbot of some monastary somewhere. At the lecture it was said that “the head” of the UkrCathCh did this, which would mean Lubomyr Huzar; but I believe I read elsewhere that Stephan Sulyk, the now-retired Metropolitan of the Archeparchy of Philadelphia, did this.

2 – The second pectoral cross was bestowed by Archbishop Vsevolod of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church in recognition of his writings on the Orthodox tradition. Fr. Petro (seminary rector) did not mention a second nomination to Archimandrite.

]]> By: Mike Aquilina http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2006/10/04/the-other-side-of-ancient-liturgy/comment-page-1/#comment-4163 Mike Aquilina Thu, 05 Oct 2006 22:07:14 +0000 http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2006/10/04/the-other-side-of-ancient-liturgy/#comment-4163 I'm not sure about the Orthodox honor (see above). But my recollection is that the introducer pointed out Fr. Taft's two pectoral crosses and said he had twice been named an archimandrite, once by a Catholic bishop (whom he named) and once by an Orthodox bishop (whom he named). The Catholic one is well documented on the Web. A friend of mine has a tape of the talk. I'll see if he can track it down. I’m not sure about the Orthodox honor (see above). But my recollection is that the introducer pointed out Fr. Taft’s two pectoral crosses and said he had twice been named an archimandrite, once by a Catholic bishop (whom he named) and once by an Orthodox bishop (whom he named). The Catholic one is well documented on the Web. A friend of mine has a tape of the talk. I’ll see if he can track it down.

]]> By: John http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2006/10/04/the-other-side-of-ancient-liturgy/comment-page-1/#comment-4158 John Thu, 05 Oct 2006 19:46:24 +0000 http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2006/10/04/the-other-side-of-ancient-liturgy/#comment-4158 The back cover of the very book mentioned above calls him Rt. Rev. Archimandrite Robert F. Taft, S.J. Is it safe to assume they got it right? The back cover of the very book mentioned above calls him Rt. Rev. Archimandrite Robert F. Taft, S.J. Is it safe to assume they got it right?

]]> By: JimC http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2006/10/04/the-other-side-of-ancient-liturgy/comment-page-1/#comment-4153 JimC Thu, 05 Oct 2006 18:57:45 +0000 http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2006/10/04/the-other-side-of-ancient-liturgy/#comment-4153 Are you sure he was made archimandrite? That is equivalent to an abbot. Could it be you meant archpriest and monsignor which are roughly equivalent? Are you sure he was made archimandrite? That is equivalent to an abbot. Could it be you meant archpriest and monsignor which are roughly equivalent?

]]> By: Kevin http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2006/10/04/the-other-side-of-ancient-liturgy/comment-page-1/#comment-4143 Kevin Thu, 05 Oct 2006 16:12:58 +0000 http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2006/10/04/the-other-side-of-ancient-liturgy/#comment-4143 I had the good fortune of studying with Fr. Taft in the 80's when he spent half of his year at Notre Dame and half in Rome. It was de riguer to take his origins of the Liturgical Year class as the intro to studying the liturgy at Notre Dame. It was shocking to say the least, but looking back on it, I loved it. As the articles and note say, he never lacked for an opinion. Some saw him as a dinosaur, but he knew the sources and literally lived them. It was truly a blessing to study with him I had the good fortune of studying with Fr. Taft in the 80’s when he spent half of his year at Notre Dame and half in Rome. It was de riguer to take his origins of the Liturgical Year class as the intro to studying the liturgy at Notre Dame. It was shocking to say the least, but looking back on it, I loved it. As the articles and note say, he never lacked for an opinion. Some saw him as a dinosaur, but he knew the sources and literally lived them. It was truly a blessing to study with him

]]> By: Mike Aquilina http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2006/10/04/the-other-side-of-ancient-liturgy/comment-page-1/#comment-4099 Mike Aquilina Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:45:02 +0000 http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2006/10/04/the-other-side-of-ancient-liturgy/#comment-4099 I didn't know about this, Vito. Thanks for the alert. I didn’t know about this, Vito. Thanks for the alert.

]]> By: Vito http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2006/10/04/the-other-side-of-ancient-liturgy/comment-page-1/#comment-4098 Vito Wed, 04 Oct 2006 14:43:30 +0000 http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2006/10/04/the-other-side-of-ancient-liturgy/#comment-4098 We pray for the restoration to good health for Father Taft after his recent intestinal surgergy in Rome. We pray for the restoration to good health for Father Taft after his recent intestinal surgergy in Rome.

]]> By: Mike Aquilina http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2006/10/04/the-other-side-of-ancient-liturgy/comment-page-1/#comment-4089 Mike Aquilina Wed, 04 Oct 2006 11:26:16 +0000 http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2006/10/04/the-other-side-of-ancient-liturgy/#comment-4089 Thanks for pointing this out. When I heard Fr. Taft speak a couple of years ago, the man who introduced him noted that he was wearing two pectoral crosses, because he had the (almost?) unique distinction of having been named an archimandrite by both Catholic and Orthodox bishops. But you're right: I can't find confirmation online, where all truth resides. So I yanked the sentence. If anyone out there has documentation, let me know. Thanks for pointing this out. When I heard Fr. Taft speak a couple of years ago, the man who introduced him noted that he was wearing two pectoral crosses, because he had the (almost?) unique distinction of having been named an archimandrite by both Catholic and Orthodox bishops. But you’re right: I can’t find confirmation online, where all truth resides. So I yanked the sentence. If anyone out there has documentation, let me know.

]]> By: Huw Raphael http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2006/10/04/the-other-side-of-ancient-liturgy/comment-page-1/#comment-4085 Huw Raphael Wed, 04 Oct 2006 08:47:26 +0000 http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2006/10/04/the-other-side-of-ancient-liturgy/#comment-4085 Hi, The note that Fr Taft had been named an "archimandrite in the Orthodox Church" was a shocker to me so I played google on it. I see he was elevated to that position by the Ukrainian Catholic Church - which is in communion with Rome, rather than an Orthodox church. But if you have any info regarding a parallel elevation by one of our bishops, I'd greatly love to see that! (And would be very greatly amazed!) Hi,

The note that Fr Taft had been named an “archimandrite in the Orthodox Church” was a shocker to me so I played google on it. I see he was elevated to that position by the Ukrainian Catholic Church – which is in communion with Rome, rather than an Orthodox church. But if you have any info regarding a parallel elevation by one of our bishops, I’d greatly love to see that! (And would be very greatly amazed!)

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