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	<title>Comments on: Don&#8217;t Sell Celibacy Short</title>
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		<title>By: Mike Aquilina</title>
		<link>http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2006/11/21/dont-sell-celibacy-short/comment-page-1/#comment-6105</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Aquilina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2006 03:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, the more I think about this line — &quot;Because sex was seen as always sinful&quot; — the more it ticks me off. It&#039;s a gross caricature of the Church Fathers. Does anybody really believe we&#039;re a lot more enlightened about sex these days than Clement of Alexandria was in the third century? Yeesh, look around you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, the more I think about this line — &#8220;Because sex was seen as always sinful&#8221; — the more it ticks me off. It&#8217;s a gross caricature of the Church Fathers. Does anybody really believe we&#8217;re a lot more enlightened about sex these days than Clement of Alexandria was in the third century? Yeesh, look around you.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Aquilina</title>
		<link>http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2006/11/21/dont-sell-celibacy-short/comment-page-1/#comment-6097</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Aquilina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 22:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See also Chrysostom&#039;s Homilies on Ephesians. That&#039;s a stunning theology of marriage. And he points out that celibacy has no value unless marriage is highly valued.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See also Chrysostom&#8217;s Homilies on Ephesians. That&#8217;s a stunning theology of marriage. And he points out that celibacy has no value unless marriage is highly valued.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Aquilina</title>
		<link>http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2006/11/21/dont-sell-celibacy-short/comment-page-1/#comment-6095</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Aquilina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless I&#039;m mistaken, John Paul II confronted this squarely within the Theology of the Body addresses (see especially those on &quot;Virginity for the Sake of the Kingdom,&quot; March 10, 1982, to July 21, 1982). They&#039;re available for perusal on www.vatican.va. They&#039;re also available in a new edition, with excellent commentary: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html%3FASIN=0819874213%26tag=mikeaquilina1-20%26lcode=xm2%26cID=2025%26ccmID=165953%26location=/o/ASIN/0819874213%253FSubscriptionId=0EMV44A9A5YT1RVDGZ82&quot; title=&quot;View product details at Amazon&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Man and Woman He Created Them: A Theology Of The Body&lt;/a&gt;.

In any event, I can assure you that neither Jesus nor Paul nor John was suggesting that &quot;sex was ... always sinful.&quot; Otherwise there would be no Theology of the Body.

The patristic record is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html%3FASIN=0818908033%26tag=mikeaquilina1-20%26lcode=xm2%26cID=2025%26ccmID=165953%26location=/o/ASIN/0818908033%253FSubscriptionId=0EMV44A9A5YT1RVDGZ82&quot; title=&quot;View product details at Amazon&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;mixed&lt;/a&gt; on sex and marriage.  It&#039;s at least arguable that Clement of Alexandria anticipated the Theology of the Body by some eighteen centuries. He had a refined appreciation for marriage and for the couple&#039;s bodily union. I know that Chrysostom is sometimes cited in the negative column; but his nasty passages are almost all drawn from his pleas to a friend to return to the practice of celibacy — and I think his hyperbole is understandable, given the circumstance. Even Augustine didn&#039;t say quite what you&#039;re saying here — that sex is &quot;always sinful ... even if venially.&quot; He did say that our practice of sex almost always involves some venial sin, but that&#039;s a different statement altogether. My practice of phone conversation almost always involves some venial sin, but that doesn&#039;t mean the phone is a bad thing.

Even so, we shouldn&#039;t project Augustine (or Jerome!) back on the earlier Fathers. They&#039;re writing with a far different set of concerns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless I&#8217;m mistaken, John Paul II confronted this squarely within the Theology of the Body addresses (see especially those on &#8220;Virginity for the Sake of the Kingdom,&#8221; March 10, 1982, to July 21, 1982). They&#8217;re available for perusal on <a href="http://www.vatican.va" rel="nofollow">http://www.vatican.va</a>. They&#8217;re also available in a new edition, with excellent commentary: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html%3FASIN=0819874213%26tag=mikeaquilina1-20%26lcode=xm2%26cID=2025%26ccmID=165953%26location=/o/ASIN/0819874213%253FSubscriptionId=0EMV44A9A5YT1RVDGZ82" title="View product details at Amazon" rel="nofollow">Man and Woman He Created Them: A Theology Of The Body</a>.</p>
<p>In any event, I can assure you that neither Jesus nor Paul nor John was suggesting that &#8220;sex was &#8230; always sinful.&#8221; Otherwise there would be no Theology of the Body.</p>
<p>The patristic record is <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html%3FASIN=0818908033%26tag=mikeaquilina1-20%26lcode=xm2%26cID=2025%26ccmID=165953%26location=/o/ASIN/0818908033%253FSubscriptionId=0EMV44A9A5YT1RVDGZ82" title="View product details at Amazon" rel="nofollow">mixed</a> on sex and marriage.  It&#8217;s at least arguable that Clement of Alexandria anticipated the Theology of the Body by some eighteen centuries. He had a refined appreciation for marriage and for the couple&#8217;s bodily union. I know that Chrysostom is sometimes cited in the negative column; but his nasty passages are almost all drawn from his pleas to a friend to return to the practice of celibacy — and I think his hyperbole is understandable, given the circumstance. Even Augustine didn&#8217;t say quite what you&#8217;re saying here — that sex is &#8220;always sinful &#8230; even if venially.&#8221; He did say that our practice of sex almost always involves some venial sin, but that&#8217;s a different statement altogether. My practice of phone conversation almost always involves some venial sin, but that doesn&#8217;t mean the phone is a bad thing.</p>
<p>Even so, we shouldn&#8217;t project Augustine (or Jerome!) back on the earlier Fathers. They&#8217;re writing with a far different set of concerns.</p>
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		<title>By: l</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Nov 2006 21:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question that needs to be confronted is - why were they celebrated? Because sex was seen as always sinful. Always, even if only venially, if there was the slightest glimmer of concupiscence.  Not exactly the Theology of the Body going there. That gulf in understanding really has to be confronted before one can even begin to compare then and now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question that needs to be confronted is &#8211; why were they celebrated? Because sex was seen as always sinful. Always, even if only venially, if there was the slightest glimmer of concupiscence.  Not exactly the Theology of the Body going there. That gulf in understanding really has to be confronted before one can even begin to compare then and now.</p>
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