Comments on: The Date of the Last Supper http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2007/05/14/the-date-of-the-last-supper/ Mike Aquilina's Blog Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:36:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Hardy Geer http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2007/05/14/the-date-of-the-last-supper/comment-page-1/#comment-2094219 Hardy Geer Sat, 21 Jan 2012 00:39:40 +0000 http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2007/05/12/the-date-of-the-last-supper/#comment-2094219 There are two errors in translation of the Pope's homily. The word pasch (or some cognate) is translated as Easter when it should be passover as demanded by context. There are two errors in translation of the Pope’s homily. The word pasch (or some cognate) is translated as Easter when it should be passover as demanded by context.

]]> By: Spaz http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2007/05/14/the-date-of-the-last-supper/comment-page-1/#comment-2053689 Spaz Sat, 02 Apr 2011 21:37:38 +0000 http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2007/05/12/the-date-of-the-last-supper/#comment-2053689 Looks like I'm a few years late for this post but... Of course he rose on the Sabbath! The Mary(s) went to the tomb before it was light on Sunday, Yahushua was already gone. If anything is prevalent in the Bible, it's the Sabbath(s). Looks like I’m a few years late for this post but…

Of course he rose on the Sabbath! The Mary(s) went to the tomb before it was light on Sunday, Yahushua was already gone.

If anything is prevalent in the Bible, it’s the Sabbath(s).

]]> By: entropy http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2007/05/14/the-date-of-the-last-supper/comment-page-1/#comment-106129 entropy Wed, 23 May 2007 21:54:10 +0000 http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2007/05/12/the-date-of-the-last-supper/#comment-106129 So does that mean that Christ rose on the Sabbath? Does that nullify us celebrating the Resurrection on Sundays and also moving the Sabbath to Sunday? So does that mean that Christ rose on the Sabbath? Does that nullify us celebrating the Resurrection on Sundays and also moving the Sabbath to Sunday?

]]> By: Kevin P. Edgecomb http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2007/05/14/the-date-of-the-last-supper/comment-page-1/#comment-98107 Kevin P. Edgecomb Tue, 15 May 2007 06:03:22 +0000 http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2007/05/12/the-date-of-the-last-supper/#comment-98107 That is a very strange solution. The Qumran calendar was peculiar in that each day of the year always fell on the same day of the week, so 14 Nisan (on the afternoon of which the Paschal lambs were to be sacrificed) was always Tuesday. Though such a calendar existed, it would be a stretch to say that it would be used anywhere else outside of Essene circles. But I've always found the claims of dating the Last Supper on Passover to be somewhat, well, wrong, anyway. Looking at the three Synoptics, there are several things going on. First, in all three, the "first day of unleavened bread" is quite obviously not to the 15th, but the 14th (as made explicit in Lk and Mk, by adding that it's the day the lambs were sacrificed), as the leaven had to be out of the house by the end of that day, for the following day was a high sabbath and it'd be forbidden and too late to clean in preparation for the Festival of Unleavened Bread properly so-called. Second, in Mt, the efforts toward preparing the Passover (ch. 26) are not explicitly stated to be accomplished, in that it doesn't state that they're actually eating the Passover. It is in Lk and Mk that it seems they are simply looking for lodgings Thursday evening (days were counted from the sunset) in which to eventually eat the Passover the next day. Third is the peculiar wording of Lk 22.15-16: "...this Passover...I will not eat it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God." Some translate, "I will not eat it <i>again</i>," etc. But it is also possible to read "I very much want to eat this Passover with you before I suffer, for I tell you, I will not eat it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God" as simply stating that this is the last meal that he'll be eating with them, and he won't be eating the Passover with them tomorrow night, even though all seems to be going well. And while John is very clear on the point of date, the Synoptics, while seeming a bit confused to the hasty reader, don't explicitly contradict his dating, either, as noted above. Interesting stuff. That is a very strange solution. The Qumran calendar was peculiar in that each day of the year always fell on the same day of the week, so 14 Nisan (on the afternoon of which the Paschal lambs were to be sacrificed) was always Tuesday. Though such a calendar existed, it would be a stretch to say that it would be used anywhere else outside of Essene circles.

But I’ve always found the claims of dating the Last Supper on Passover to be somewhat, well, wrong, anyway. Looking at the three Synoptics, there are several things going on. First, in all three, the “first day of unleavened bread” is quite obviously not to the 15th, but the 14th (as made explicit in Lk and Mk, by adding that it’s the day the lambs were sacrificed), as the leaven had to be out of the house by the end of that day, for the following day was a high sabbath and it’d be forbidden and too late to clean in preparation for the Festival of Unleavened Bread properly so-called. Second, in Mt, the efforts toward preparing the Passover (ch. 26) are not explicitly stated to be accomplished, in that it doesn’t state that they’re actually eating the Passover. It is in Lk and Mk that it seems they are simply looking for lodgings Thursday evening (days were counted from the sunset) in which to eventually eat the Passover the next day. Third is the peculiar wording of Lk 22.15-16: “…this Passover…I will not eat it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.” Some translate, “I will not eat it again,” etc. But it is also possible to read “I very much want to eat this Passover with you before I suffer, for I tell you, I will not eat it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God” as simply stating that this is the last meal that he’ll be eating with them, and he won’t be eating the Passover with them tomorrow night, even though all seems to be going well. And while John is very clear on the point of date, the Synoptics, while seeming a bit confused to the hasty reader, don’t explicitly contradict his dating, either, as noted above. Interesting stuff.

]]> By: vassili psyllis http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2007/05/14/the-date-of-the-last-supper/comment-page-1/#comment-97570 vassili psyllis Mon, 14 May 2007 17:54:27 +0000 http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2007/05/12/the-date-of-the-last-supper/#comment-97570 dear mike it wouldn't be possible for the Son of God who came to <i>fulfil</i> the Law with His own blood to follow the already dead--as an idol--Law. So John is obviously right. Synoptics had to be more discreet since they were preaching to still old fashion messianic audience. John on the contrary was addressing (much later) to a more mature church--a church with enough experience of eucharistic life. dear mike
it wouldn’t be possible for the Son of God who came to fulfil the Law with His own blood to follow the already dead–as an idol–Law. So John is obviously right. Synoptics had to be more discreet since they were preaching to still old fashion messianic audience. John on the contrary was addressing (much later) to a more mature church–a church with enough experience of eucharistic life.

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