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	<title>Comments on: Return to Origen</title>
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		<title>By: Mike Aquilina</title>
		<link>http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2007/08/12/return-to-origen/comment-page-1/#comment-220611</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Aquilina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 20:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the encyclopedic &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html%3FASIN=0664224725%26tag=wayofthefathers-20%26lcode=xm2%26cID=2025%26ccmID=165953%26location=/o/ASIN/0664224725%253FSubscriptionId=0EMV44A9A5YT1RVDGZ82&quot; title=&quot;View product details at Amazon&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Westminster Handbook to Origen&lt;/a&gt;, Frederick W. Norris tags him as &quot;one of the earliest proponents of the idea of universal salvation.&quot; The idea can be found in several places in Origen&#039;s writings, and he was condemned for it three centuries after his death. But elsewhere (again, according to Norris) Origen says &quot;equally clearly, that only souls who make the choice for God and practice the virtues God demands will come to rest in heaven. Those who do not live for God shall suffer eternally in hell or perhaps be annihilated there.&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html%3FASIN=089870880X%26tag=wayofthefathers-20%26lcode=xm2%26cID=2025%26ccmID=165953%26location=/o/ASIN/089870880X%253FSubscriptionId=0EMV44A9A5YT1RVDGZ82&quot; title=&quot;View product details at Amazon&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;De Lubac&lt;/a&gt; demonstrates that Origen&#039;s eschatology is scattered among the works that survive, and the bits that we can gather seem mutually contradictory. We do not have his treatise on the resurrection; if this turns up, it could make matters much clearer.

One thing, however, is certain: when Origen engaged in speculation, he urged his audience to rely on the teaching of the Catholic Church and not on the thoughts of a theologian. He desired only to be a &quot;man of the Church&quot; (his phrase). If he was very wrong in a matter of eschatology, he would certainly not be alone among the Fathers, especially the early Fathers. We tend to forgive the ante-Nicenes even their imprecise language regarding the hypostatic union and the Trinitarian communion. We tend to forgive Gregory of Nyssa his own universalist tendencies. It&#039;s possible that Origen was well intentioned, but wrong about a teaching that was still not clearly defined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the encyclopedic <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html%3FASIN=0664224725%26tag=wayofthefathers-20%26lcode=xm2%26cID=2025%26ccmID=165953%26location=/o/ASIN/0664224725%253FSubscriptionId=0EMV44A9A5YT1RVDGZ82" title="View product details at Amazon" rel="nofollow">Westminster Handbook to Origen</a>, Frederick W. Norris tags him as &#8220;one of the earliest proponents of the idea of universal salvation.&#8221; The idea can be found in several places in Origen&#8217;s writings, and he was condemned for it three centuries after his death. But elsewhere (again, according to Norris) Origen says &#8220;equally clearly, that only souls who make the choice for God and practice the virtues God demands will come to rest in heaven. Those who do not live for God shall suffer eternally in hell or perhaps be annihilated there.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html%3FASIN=089870880X%26tag=wayofthefathers-20%26lcode=xm2%26cID=2025%26ccmID=165953%26location=/o/ASIN/089870880X%253FSubscriptionId=0EMV44A9A5YT1RVDGZ82" title="View product details at Amazon" rel="nofollow">De Lubac</a> demonstrates that Origen&#8217;s eschatology is scattered among the works that survive, and the bits that we can gather seem mutually contradictory. We do not have his treatise on the resurrection; if this turns up, it could make matters much clearer.</p>
<p>One thing, however, is certain: when Origen engaged in speculation, he urged his audience to rely on the teaching of the Catholic Church and not on the thoughts of a theologian. He desired only to be a &#8220;man of the Church&#8221; (his phrase). If he was very wrong in a matter of eschatology, he would certainly not be alone among the Fathers, especially the early Fathers. We tend to forgive the ante-Nicenes even their imprecise language regarding the hypostatic union and the Trinitarian communion. We tend to forgive Gregory of Nyssa his own universalist tendencies. It&#8217;s possible that Origen was well intentioned, but wrong about a teaching that was still not clearly defined.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2007/08/12/return-to-origen/comment-page-1/#comment-220551</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 19:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it true that Origen espoused universal salvation, believing that all would be saved eventually, even those who died as sinners?</description>
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