Comments on: The Fathers and the Jews http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2008/02/19/the-fathers-and-the-jews/ Mike Aquilina's Blog Tue, 16 Mar 2010 22:48:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Annette http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2008/02/19/the-fathers-and-the-jews/comment-page-1/#comment-586103 Annette Thu, 21 Feb 2008 04:29:55 +0000 http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2008/02/19/the-fathers-and-the-jews/#comment-586103 Good blog and sound historical-critical methodology. The people of Paul's day had a totally different concept even of the body and therefore of resurrection and eternal life. Paul was a Jew himself and according to the opinion of Krister Stendahl, remained a Jew. Good blog and sound historical-critical methodology. The people of Paul’s day had a totally different concept even of the body and therefore of resurrection and eternal life. Paul was a Jew himself and according to the opinion of Krister Stendahl, remained a Jew.

]]> By: anna http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2008/02/19/the-fathers-and-the-jews/comment-page-1/#comment-585670 anna Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:52:10 +0000 http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2008/02/19/the-fathers-and-the-jews/#comment-585670 How sad we don't know our faith better. Having lived with Jewish people a number of years, it never occurred to me that Psalm 23 was Jewish. It could have been a great unifying prayer and open door for discussion. I always thought it was "Protestant". After all, it was the good Protestant teachers who read it once a week out of "The Protestant Bible" which was read every morning before classes started.(public school) It took Dr. Cavalletti of Rome to open that door for me. And what Catholic attending Mass after Easter does not hear Jesus proclaim "I am The Good Shepherd"? Maybe we do get too complicated. As He said,May there "be only one Shepherd and one sheepfold". How? Don't ask me! That is God's Plan. How sad we don’t know our faith better. Having lived with Jewish people a number of years, it never occurred to me that Psalm 23 was Jewish. It could have been a great unifying prayer and open door for discussion. I always thought it was “Protestant”. After all, it was the good Protestant teachers who read it once a week out of “The Protestant Bible” which was read every morning before classes started.(public school) It took Dr. Cavalletti of Rome to open that door for me. And what Catholic attending Mass after Easter does not hear Jesus proclaim “I am The Good Shepherd”? Maybe we do get too complicated. As He said,May there “be only one Shepherd and one sheepfold”. How? Don’t ask me! That is God’s Plan.

]]> By: Gashwin http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2008/02/19/the-fathers-and-the-jews/comment-page-1/#comment-584188 Gashwin Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:01:58 +0000 http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2008/02/19/the-fathers-and-the-jews/#comment-584188 [Sorry about the bad syntax and grammar there! I was distracted while writing this, and didn't clean it up before posting! :)] [Sorry about the bad syntax and grammar there! I was distracted while writing this, and didn't clean it up before posting! :)]

]]> By: Gashwin http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2008/02/19/the-fathers-and-the-jews/comment-page-1/#comment-584183 Gashwin Wed, 20 Feb 2008 09:00:12 +0000 http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2008/02/19/the-fathers-and-the-jews/#comment-584183 <em>Gurublogger???</em> :) I tend to think of rhetorical violence in terms of violence in general. Is rhetorical harshness or violence, simply a subset of the violent nature of humanity and human interaction? I wonder. Does rhetorical harshness automatically lead to actual physical harm and violence? Especially in the West, we are very suspicious of religious speech that seems harsh, or judgmental. And the secular world makes the connection that the best way to prevent religiously inspired violence is to become less serious about religion, less certain about truth, i.e. more relativistic. The queasiness with rough religious speech seems to stem from this. Surely one can disagree in matters serious, in questions pertain to truth, in a way that doesn't just end up in violent deprecations of the others humanity, yet also avoid relativism. Just some stray, inchoate thoughts. Gurublogger??? :)

I tend to think of rhetorical violence in terms of violence in general. Is rhetorical harshness or violence, simply a subset of the violent nature of humanity and human interaction? I wonder.

Does rhetorical harshness automatically lead to actual physical harm and violence?

Especially in the West, we are very suspicious of religious speech that seems harsh, or judgmental. And the secular world makes the connection that the best way to prevent religiously inspired violence is to become less serious about religion, less certain about truth, i.e. more relativistic. The queasiness with rough religious speech seems to stem from this.

Surely one can disagree in matters serious, in questions pertain to truth, in a way that doesn’t just end up in violent deprecations of the others humanity, yet also avoid relativism.

Just some stray, inchoate thoughts.

]]> By: Carl Sommer http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2008/02/19/the-fathers-and-the-jews/comment-page-1/#comment-582771 Carl Sommer Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:44:43 +0000 http://www.fathersofthechurch.com/2008/02/19/the-fathers-and-the-jews/#comment-582771 This discussion is fascinating, and important. It's first necessary to remember that in the first three centuries, Christians were powerless to impose their beliefs on anyone, nor could they harm anyone who rejected those beliefs. Both Christians and Jews used the rhetorical devices of the period, and played by the same rhetorical rules. Things that would be impossible to say today were routinely expressed in the polemics of the late Roman Empire. As for the prayer, anyone who wants to pray for my conversion will recieve my gratitude! This discussion is fascinating, and important. It’s first necessary to remember that in the first three centuries, Christians were powerless to impose their beliefs on anyone, nor could they harm anyone who rejected those beliefs. Both Christians and Jews used the rhetorical devices of the period, and played by the same rhetorical rules. Things that would be impossible to say today were routinely expressed in the polemics of the late Roman Empire. As for the prayer, anyone who wants to pray for my conversion will recieve my gratitude!

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